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gopqed |
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Republicans are after Sanford to resign, as well. I realize you can only see out of your left eye but I believe you should be able to read with only one eye.
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Thack |
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gopqed wrote:I've watched the antics of republicans for 40 years. You're an apologist for them, so don't take it personally if I dismiss what you say as nothing more than shilling for your dogma.
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grampatom.voctrial |
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I can forgive a politician for succumbing to physical temptation, I guess, I did it for Clinton, hoping he'd triumph over the enemies yapping at his heels.
But this Sanford guy had crossed the line into flakedom - A mistress in Argentina! "Four days crying in Argentina"! "I''m walking the
Appalacian Trail, no wait, I'm not"! I want to be just like King David! If Dave could come back from this, I can!
Not sure his judgement is sound, aldultery or no aldultery. The Lt Gov had better be reviewing his notes, reviewing the job description. |
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gopqed |
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He'll resign. It's sad that he hasn't already done so. There's going to be enough push (from Republicans, Thack) that he'll choose to
resign rather than being faced with impeachment.
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Thack |
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I would hope there are more republicans than "thacks" calling for him to resign.
My problem with Sanford isn't the R by his name. I understand that republicans have to use slogans like 'family values' to fool people into voting for them. What I don't like are people who play that game while not living the life that they insist that others should live. Those people tend to be republicans. Maybe there will be a day when democrats will have to use those kinds of slogans to get votes, but at this point, it's the GOP that needs to use those tactics. If democrats do that, I will call for them to resign and if they act as neocons or become right wingers, I will despise them, too. |
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sooz08 |
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gop, do you agree that Ensign and Sanford show an extreme hypocrisy, having run their campaigns on a strong platform of
"family values"? ~ speaking strictly to the infidelity [putting aside for the moment Sanford's dereliction of duty], personally, I don't much
care who sleeps with who ~ or why ~ and reality is that some marriages "allow" for separate lives ~ that's none of my business ~ but I deeply
resent the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude from so many politicians ~
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Thack |
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It's not about the infidelity, it's about the hypocrisy and deceitfulness.
As Sooz said, the problem with lying to those around him and having his staff refuse to put the Lt Gov in charge, left SC basically without a leader for four days. I think that in and of itself is worthy of 'firing', but SC is a GOP state and I think they will either push him out, or they will back him up. Knowing the republicans of today, they will want him out because he's exposed them to further ridicule, not because he's dishonest and a philanderer. |
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FeatheredFish |
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I find it curious that he immediately offered his resignation from the Republican Governors Association, (of which I'm certain his absence would have had
little impact on), yet refuses to resign as Governor despite going awol and charging, (at least part of), the cost of his clandestine rendezvous to state
expenses.
There is no way he can sustain his position.
The difference between school and life? In school, you're taught a lesson and then given a test.
In life, you're given a test that teaches you a lesson.
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gopqed |
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sooz08 wrote: I'm offended by hypocrisy, whatever the issue involved. Unfortunately, it's a way of life for politicians. If politicians were forced from office based on hypocrisy, there would be virtually nobody eligible to hold office. Sanford should resign because of his abdication of his responsibilities to the people of his state. His infidelity is one of those unfortunate human frailties that is far too common among politicians as well as non-politicians, but it's something that people need to deal with based on their own situations once it has occurred. I'm much more concerned with politicians' views on public policy and their approach to governing. Hypocrisy about "family values" is no more significant that hypocrisy about appointing lobbyists to government posts. |
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gopqed |
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FeatheredFish wrote: He resigned from his chairmanship of the RGA because he would have been replaced had he not resigned. He hasn't resigned as Governor because he knows it is much more difficult to be forcibly removed from office and he's hoping he can weather the storm to retain his position. It's the same approach used by Rod Blagojevich. He's betting that the legislature won't go down the impeachment path. It's a bad move on his part, and he ought to accept the end of his political career and simply resign. |
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Beenherebefore.pundits |
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I think the gov of SC should resign or be impeached, for derelection of duty. I think Ensign should not.
Politicians are no different than a lot of other men, infidelity is rampant and always has been. |
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FrontlineCatch 22.RealSpeakUp |
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gopqed wrote:Well, let's imagine I run for political office and my campaign theme is balanced budgets, economic growth and social liberalism. I win then I get caught screwing someone other than my wife. Should I resign? I have violated nothing I had allegedly stood for. Now, let's say I am running on family values, sanctity of marriage and other social conservative values. I win then I get caught screwing someone other than my wife. Is the case now different? Shouldn't it be? |
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Beenherebefore.pundits |
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Temptation, sex, confession and forgiveness are powerful emotions and also popular emotions.
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sooz08 |
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And the general public seems to love the idea of "redemption" ~
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Beenherebefore.pundits |
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Yep, that too.
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Thack |
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It's not about the normal human foibles. It's about being dishonest.
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Calluna |
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I agree with the common theme among sooz's, gop's, and been's posts (maybe others said it too and I missed it). His resignation should be based on
his dereliction of duties, not his personal life. I don't care if he was in Appalachia, Argentina, or Antarctica, or how many times his plans changed for
his vacation destination and who was accompanying him in his bed while there. What is important is that he didn't even tell anyone he was going on a
vacation and to have his Lt. Governor notified to cover his duties while gone. It would have sufficed for him to tell them that he was taking a vacation and
didn't expect to be in communication while gone, so was turning over the controls to the Lt. Governor for the week. How that played out when his wife tried
to reach him and found out from his office that he was on vacation without her, it might have been fun for the tabloids, but wouldn't have been dereliction
of his duty to his office.
And, yes, there are hypocrites in both parties. They just are hypocritical about different things because they campaign on different issues. The Republicans are hypocrites when they get caught with their pants down with mistresses and other men because they are promoting that whole family first nonsense. Democrats get to be hypocrites on environmental and healthcare issues...parking a Prius in the driveway of a 5000 sq foot house that always has lights on or heat or A/C running, and huge chemically treated and watered lawns cut by someone on a gas-powered riding mower, an an olympic-sized pool in the backyard is rather hypocritical when telling everyone else they need to conserve energy and water, and I'll be that no matter what healthcare plan they come up with for the rest of us, there will be an exception in there for at least members of Congress. Been, I also agree that infidelity is quite rampant, especially among men (but certainly not ONLY among men). The only difference I really notice between Democrats and Republicans in terms of infidelity is that the Democrats I've known are pretty quick to admit it's a sign the marriage isn't working and get a divorce (at least once they get caught...everyone tries to get away with it as long as they can). The Republicans seem to prolong the suffering and resist getting a divorce until they're caught more than once...they don't actually stop cheating, they just get better at hiding it from their wives. How do I know? I've been dating a married Republican man for a long time. At least half the men he knows have admitted to each other about having affairs, and they cover for each other, telling the wives they're going out with clients for dinner or that "the guys" are going out for drinks after work. It's easier for them to get away with it now more than ever with everyone switching to using cellphones and giving up landlines. Nobody ever calls a landline to find out someone isn't where they are supposed to be, they call the cell phone and never know where they're answering from. Mostly, I think the problem is people get married too young. They seem to hit their early 20's and just latch onto whomever they're dating at the time while being more in love with the foolishly romantic notions they have about being married than with whom they are marrying. Very few men are mature enough at that age to make such a lifelong decision. When they do mature in a few years and realize that once the sex becomes less frequent, they don't really have much else in common with the person they married, their ego prevents them from admitting their mistake and getting a divorce, so instead they start shopping around. They never really do figure out how to fix the problem when they finally find someone who they really are compatible with on other levels (my boyfriend and I see each other only a few times a year...our relationship is built on a lot more than sex), so you just have to wait until the wife catches them and she's the one that puts the end to the marriage. |
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FrontlineCatch 22.RealSpeakUp |
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Politicians are no different than a lot of other men, infidelity is rampant and always has been.
Infidelity requires a man AND a woman, in most cases ...
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Thack |
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Using most of the above logic, Caligula would make a pretty good governor.
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Beenherebefore.pundits |
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Yes, women cheat too.
You may be right about getting married too young, as someone who got engaged at 19 to my first boyfriend and celebrated our 36 wedding anniversary earlier this month, I know I was very lucky. All of our friends from back in the day are divorced, some several times - we are like dinosaurs - LOL! |
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